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BOB has retired moved! Our current platform (the one you are reading right now) is over 18 years old. Rather than continue here, the community has moved to a new software platform! We are excited about the move and hope that you'll come with us.

The new community URL is https://bobj-board.org/.

User accounts have not been converted. In order to participate on the new platform you will need to create a new account. Existing posts have been retroactively assigned to your user name, but are associated with an anonymous account. No personal information (email address and so on) has been transferred to the new platform.

If you have any questions, the "About BOB" forum will remain open for the remainder of 2020, at which point it will be replaced by a static page directing folks to the new community.

Thank you for your support and participation for the past 18 years.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:09 am 
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Hi All,

I actually started to take on trying to get 2.0 started prior to me seeing this post. I have created a replica of the forum already, got a domain, and I am in the process of trying to index/save the forums as we speak.

I would love to help. It looks like there is interest in the forums to keep the community alive. How would you all like me to proceed or should I hold off?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:29 am 
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RickOShay wrote:
I am in the process of trying to index/save the forums as we speak.

There's no need for that. When a formal BOB 2.0 project is launched / approved by the community, I will provide the data.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:29 am 
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Dave Rathbun wrote:
The attached image shows the post count by month from BOB's launch in August of 2002 until now.


I am sorry that I have posted so much content about Data Services during the peak years...

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:53 am 
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Is there a consensus that we should continue it as a forum rather than any other sort of site?

That is, keep it simple, with as straight a migration as possible to begin with then evolve it to keep it familiar? Just photoshopping a 2.0 on to the current BOB logo to show that it's something new?
A basic domain with just a forum or would people want something like Invision offer where we can turn some of the stickies into blog posts?
Would all the moderators want to carry on? We'd still need moderators.

Thoughts?

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2019 9:07 am 
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If it's gonna be the 2.0 version then let it be something new and modern, not just a 1:1 replica.

I can carry on as a moderator, no problem with that.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2019 9:57 am 
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Well, I think ideally, migrate the content to a modern platform like Discourse. If that's not easily done, then a lift & load of BOB. Lastly, a read-only copy of the old content.

I'd be willing to help out if assistance is needed.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:09 am 
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I’m happy to continue on as moderator.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:14 pm 
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If you really want to get down to brass tacks here, the most useful progression of the BoB forum in terms of ongoing help to the ecosystem would be to install a Calendly/Intercom chat widget with direct access to joepeters and call it: Joe's Office Hours icon_biggrin.gif

Not to omit anyone else who's been contirbuting, but joepeters, Marek and several others continue to seriously impress in terms of outreach and support to the community!

And we would have happily supported/managed a BOB 2.0 effort but it would be damn near impossible for us to keep it sanitized/void of vendor bias and advertising icon_wink.gif

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:27 pm 
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MichaelWelter wrote:
I’m happy to continue on as moderator.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2019 1:09 pm 
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Nick Daniels wrote:
MichaelWelter wrote:
I’m happy to continue on as moderator.
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i'm in also

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2019 1:59 pm 
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Atul Chowdhury wrote:
If you really want to get down to brass tacks here, the most useful progression of the BoB forum in terms of ongoing help to the ecosystem would be to install a Calendly/Intercom chat widget with direct access to joepeters and call it: Joe's Office Hours icon_biggrin.gif

Not to omit anyone else who's been contirbuting, but joepeters, Marek and several others continue to seriously impress in terms of outreach and support to the community!

Well, thanks Atul!

(not so sure about your suggestion, however lol.gif)
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2019 5:14 pm 
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Marek Chladny wrote:
If it's gonna be the 2.0 version then let it be something new and modern, not just a 1:1 replica.

That would be my preference, if I had a vote. icon_wink.gif I see this going a couple of ways. If the first step is to simply lift and shift BOB from the current server / domain elsewhere, my concern would be that's where it stops. As the saying goes, "There is nothing as permanent as a temporary solution." That being said, I think the fact that BOB has lasted this long is a testament to the people, not the platform. So if moving it as-is would be the easiest solution (it would) then I'll support it.

But I would really like to see the site move into some sort of more current technology. Our server is running out-dated PHP and MySQL simply because I've been too afraid to upgrade and have to find out what to fix.

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Dave Rathbun wrote:
Marek Chladny wrote:
If it's gonna be the 2.0 version then let it be something new and modern, not just a 1:1 replica.



But I would really like to see the site move into some sort of more current technology. Our server is running out-dated PHP and MySQL simply because I've been too afraid to upgrade and have to find out what to fix.


One potential option, then, would be Joomla, with a built in forum and the CMS providing knowledge articles, news, etc. The one thing you'd need for that is commitment from authors to produce, say, one article per month each.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 5:58 am 
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2008 was 3.x, I remember attending the northern marketing release in Manchester when Donny McCormick was still CMO.

Any news on the new BOB? I am henceforth offering my services as a moderator. Have mod experience of both PHPBB and (mod and admin) XenForo.....

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 12:16 pm 
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Mark P wrote:
One potential option, then, would be Joomla, with a built in forum and the CMS providing knowledge articles, news, etc. The one thing you'd need for that is commitment from authors to produce, say, one article per month each.

I installed Joomla some years back, actually, with the idea of moving over to that platform. I thought at the time it would be an excellent option to expand into things like a wiki or other reference articles. I have not looked at the platform lately; if it's still actively being developed / supported I think it would be a great choice.

As I have said, I am happy to support the transition. When we decided way back when to convert from the mailing list to the forum format, it was definitely a group effort but there was one person that was nominally in charge and providing direction. That way things actually got done. icon_smile.gif Decisions by committee are fine if they get made, but too often - especially in the online world - we see lots of discussion and very little action.

I am happy that there is interest in moving BOB forward. Let's keep the momentum going with some concrete steps. I like Joomla. It's an open source platform that runs on the same stack we have here. There might even be a forum plug-in that we can convert the phpBB2 database into. If someone wants to install it and set up a test site that would be an excellent next step.

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