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BOB has retired moved! Our current platform (the one you are reading right now) is over 18 years old. Rather than continue here, the community has moved to a new software platform! We are excited about the move and hope that you'll come with us.

The new community URL is https://bobj-board.org/.

User accounts have not been converted. In order to participate on the new platform you will need to create a new account. Existing posts have been retroactively assigned to your user name, but are associated with an anonymous account. No personal information (email address and so on) has been transferred to the new platform.

If you have any questions, the "About BOB" forum will remain open for the remainder of 2020, at which point it will be replaced by a static page directing folks to the new community.

Thank you for your support and participation for the past 18 years.

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Atul Chowdhury
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 9:39 am 
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A shame indeed!

Invaluable resource and definitely "cut my teeth" on lots of development projects by researching them here first - thanks to everyone who helped out and contributed great info!

Here's another idea: Release the BOB forum dataset on github or other bigdata public datasets place like https://www.kaggle.com/.

Would love to see someone take on a unstructured text analytics project / natural language query concept again these posts/conversations and share back with the community. University thesis maybe? Any students lurking?! icon_smile.gif

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:17 am 
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Mark P wrote:
charlie wrote:
Mark P wrote:

I've got some spare web space where I'm happy to host a copy of the database if you no longer have capacity.
You shouldn't have to pay for web hosting. I'm thinking we need to find an organization that has deep-enough pockets to keep it alive, at least in read-only mode. I'd ask SAP, but with all the negative comments in here, I'm not sure how it would be received. Maybe one of the third-party orgs?


I won't be out of pocket - I host a couple of websites and have the bandwidth for this.

I'd keep the original and prune a lot of the useless topics too (e.g. unanswered posts), to try and make it a more relevant reference resource. If someone wanted to reopen it as a two-way resource, that could be carried on by someone else.
That works for me - there's a huge amount of knowledge in there that would be lost if it were to go away.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:06 pm 
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How about the Wayback Machine?

This URL shows that BOB has been scanned by thge Wayback Machine some times.
https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.forumtopics.com/busobj

But you can't dive in - there doesn't seem to be any content.

You can get close, but individual posts aren't there.
https://web.archive.org/web/20190121063923/http://www.forumtopics.com/busobj/viewforum.php?f=24&sid=0e32e65ba6cb9faf9320c5ee0349c712

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 4:17 am 
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OMG.
Many ppl still need this place to fix troublesome issues
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:04 am 
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Noooo! This is still my go-to place for support. We might be moving to Power BI, but it's going to take a few more years yet and in the meantime I have to keep our existing infrastructure going.

What will I do without you guys? Please consider at least keeping a read-only archive!

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:36 am 
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I'm surprised JB that I have even registered here before you! lol.gif

Between 2001 and 2017 anyway I guess I was too busy dealing with proper BI stuff : Crystal Reports and Crystal Enterprise icon_cool.gif

It was a good run. Thanks for supporting this over the years and mostly everybody (you know who you are!) for the help and the community feeling nopity.gif

As mentioned by others, I hope this content can remain available in read only. It remains useful from time to time.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:24 am 
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It's a sad day. My BOBJ heart is bleeding. icon_cry.gif
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:13 pm 
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Debbie wrote:
Please consider at least keeping a read-only archive!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:42 pm 
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It was really hard to not jump in and reply right away to all of the posts. I think I did okay. icon_smile.gif I have selected a few comments to reply to here, but thanks to everyone who shared their opinions and thoughts.

julienbras wrote:
If you don't want to maintain BOB, is there is option to let someone else keep this forum running ?

Yes and no. More details below.
Mark P wrote:
I've got some spare web space where I'm happy to host a copy of the database if you no longer have capacity.

Atul Chowdhury wrote:
Here's another idea: Release the BOB forum dataset on github or other bigdata public datasets place like https://www.kaggle.com/.

Debbie wrote:
What will I do without you guys? Please consider at least keeping a read-only archive!

All of these had basically the same suggestion...keeping an archive online in some way. I think that's more viable from my perspective than keeping the forum running.

One of the founding principles of the community was that it was managed by users for users, without vendor funding (other than the sponsorship banners that we ran for many years). I felt (and still feel) that this was important to maintain the impartial / open discussions that we saw over the years. As the primary administrator of the board, I had a number of different organizations approach me over the years asking if I would sell BOB. One of them was a five figure offer. icon_smile.gif The answers were always "No thank you, we're doing fine on our own."

One of the concerns about selling to a vendor or partner was - as you can imagine - the rich set of contacts that we have here. Yes, we've had a few useless kitchen spammers, but for the most part the folks here that are active could be a real gold mine for potential marketing. We never wanted to allow that to happen, and it's a concern that I would still have about turning the board over to someone else to run.

I think I have come up with a way to address the privacy issue, but before I talk through that let's address the other larger issue: the BOB software. When we started the board, we selected the current version of phpBB2 as our starting point. We then customized the heck out of it. The software in the current state is basically the same as it has been since, oh, probably about 2005?

It's a testament to how well the software works that we're still using it today. But I'm always worried about the next mysql or next PHP upgrade, and how it's going to break the software, because at this time I frankly don't have the time, the energy, or the interest to fix it. crazy.gif

So to the first question I quoted - can we keep the board online and running somewhere? I really don't think that's practical. I think if someone wanted to take on the goal of creating BOB 2.0, it should be done as a re-platform effort, much like we did when we ported from the BUSOB-L listserv. It should be redone with a modern platform...something that supports responsive layout, doesn't use ancient HTML table structures for layout, and something that works well on mobile devices.

BOB's current software is none of those things.

If someone is interested in creating BOB 2.0, I would be happy to talk with them and see what can be done to support that effort, but it's not something I am ready to tackle at this time. But let's talk about the other option...an online archive of some sort.

When we converted from the listserv we managed to import several years of previous posts. You might have seen them around as they're owned by the user "Listserv Archives." If someone wants to maintain the BOB software as-is in order to keep it online, here's what I would want to do in order to protect the privacy of all of our posters.

The software has the capability to store a username directly on a post. That's not the normal structure; we have a nice normalized database where each post has a User ID that links to the users table. The users table includes all of the PII like your email address and your other profile information. I would not want to expose that to any sort of archive. Consider that the users table also includes a hashed version of your password...another piece of information that should never be exposed due to potential exploits.

But what I can do is run an update script that assigns the username directly to the post, and then re-assigns the user ID on the post to the "guest" poster. Once that is done, I can completely purge the users table, which would eliminate all of that information. The end result would be a database that has plenty of content from a technical perspective, but no data other than usernames (some of which are identifiable, such as mine, and others not so much) that would be released.

Our current plan was to leave the board open for several more months. Then, at the end of March, the board would be closed to new activity, and we would start doing the archive process. The resulting forums would remain online at our current host until August, at which point BOB would go dark.

If someone else wants to host the online archive beyond August, I am open for discussion. If someone wants to talk about BOB 2.0 I am also open and willing to support that effort as far as conversions from our current system would require.

Further thoughts and comments are certainly welcome. If someone wants to start a BOB 2.0 discussion though, I would ask that you create a new topic rather than continuing in this one so we can keep the discussions separate. Thanks!

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:17 am 
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Nick Daniels wrote:
Debbie wrote:
Please consider at least keeping a read-only archive!
Debbie
I'll print it out for you icon_cool.gif


Can you post it when you're done? icon_mrgreen.gif

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:23 am 
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But on a more serious note, I'd love this place to continue, as it genuinely is the only tech-support I have. I don't even have anyone in my organisation to bounce ideas off. But I totally get that it's old and out of date (aren't we all?) and under-used now new technologies are moving in. And whatever happens, I'd like to sincerely thank those people who have helped me over the years and answered endless stupid questions with patience and advice! Particularly Mark, who has always been there for me and without whom, my job would have been infinitely harder.

You guys rock! yesnod.gif

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:31 am 
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What a sad new icon_sad.gif Started on BOB in may 2003 posting a question about context during a 4.17 to 5.1.3 migration. Nick Daniels replied to me...

How many people in the BO world I met with BOB like Sebastien Goiffon. It was a great community. Sadly, all things have end...

Would it be possible to have all stuff posted in SDk / BOB Download section gathered somewhere on a FTP or big zip file in order to be kept. I think there a lot of thing which will miss us in some time...

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:36 am 
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Please, say it isn’t so icon_cry.gif
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:35 pm 
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Dave Rathbun wrote:

When we converted from the listserv we managed to import several years of previous posts. You might have seen them around as they're owned by the user "Listserv Archives." If someone wants to maintain the BOB software as-is in order to keep it online, here's what I would want to do in order to protect the privacy of all of our posters.

The software has the capability to store a username directly on a post. That's not the normal structure; we have a nice normalized database where each post has a User ID that links to the users table. The users table includes all of the PII like your email address and your other profile information. I would not want to expose that to any sort of archive. Consider that the users table also includes a hashed version of your password...another piece of information that should never be exposed due to potential exploits.

But what I can do is run an update script that assigns the username directly to the post, and then re-assigns the user ID on the post to the "guest" poster. Once that is done, I can completely purge the users table, which would eliminate all of that information. The end result would be a database that has plenty of content from a technical perspective, but no data other than usernames (some of which are identifiable, such as mine, and others not so much) that would be released.


You'd also need to quash the .sig and other data elements form the Profile page as they also share PII. Although I do suggest keeping the Country flag just to show how widely useful this site is/was.

If you're putting it to a vote, count me in for the archived future.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:49 pm 
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bernard timbal wrote:
What a sad new icon_sad.gif Started on BOB in may 2003 posting a question about context during a 4.17 to 5.1.3 migration. Nick Daniels replied to me...
And one more time icon_cool.gif Very best wishes Bernard yesnod.gif
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