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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 7:54 am 
Post subject: Is BO BI 4.0 ready for production?

Does anyone using BusinessObjects BI 4.0 in production ?
What industry, how many sources, users, etc.

Is it stable and works ?

What liked/disliked.
Not marketing noise please, just real experience.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 12:58 pm 
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bmvrus wrote:
Not marketing noise please, just real experience.

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Okay, you can read this blog which talks about Web-I in BI 4.0
http://michaelwelter.wordpress.com/2012/04/18/impressions-of-web-intelligence-4-0/

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 2:13 pm 
Post subject: Re: Is BO BI 4.0 ready for production?

This is what happening on our end.

Environment : SQL Server 2008 R2, Windows 2008 R2, BI 4.0 SP02 Patch 16, Have around 800 crystal reports, 14 universes, around 350 WebI reports, single cluster, total users 700 (a user base of 100 active webi users, 80 active crystal report users)

Trying to migrate from BO XI R2 SP 5 to BI 4.0 SP02 (Patch 16), not successful yet. Multiple incidents have been opened with SAP support no response.

-- Security is not transferred correctly between source and destination.
-- UMT tool fails intermittently both for Complete or Incremental upgrade...
-- Some of the WebI reports throws HTTP 500 error
-- Event based scheduling is not working.... because they are not transferred successfully.
-- CMS looses databases connectivity but BI Launchpad, CMC Launchpad, Client tools work fine.
-- SSO works fine...
-- Upgrade management tool log file shows webi reports are dropped.
-- And the list goes on...

Overall 50 % of our new BI 4.0 works, waiting for Patch 19 that is going to be released by the end of July-2012, and according to support engineer some of our issues going to addressed.

We are not there yet ! icon_evil.gif

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 5:38 pm 
Post subject: Re: Is BO BI 4.0 ready for production?

Thanks BO_Chief.

Which industry ?



My minus about SAP BO BI 4.0 (SP04) - 2012:
1. Bugz, Bugz, Bugz - Issues,issues,issues - from 2011 till now.
Are developers tested what they created? Or may be BI so complicated (internaly)? From 20 to 40 bugs per day it's not normal (sap-notes), regression bugs.
2. Some UserFriendlyLess - By example Selections Screens... It's realy terrible.
3. Webi, Crystal, Xelsius - 3 different worlds (everyone with rich and web client). What for? Why sap don't want to simplify - Desktop, Web, Office - and thats all.
4. Analysis for OLAP - does anyone use them lol.gif? Very-very slowly. Analytics does't work comfortable with this tool.
5. Integration with sap bw - not 100%.
6. Installation time - from 2 to 4 hour (!). No matter about hardware. (boe.war from 1,2gb to 1.9Gb (!). Don't know any other BI-product who can do this.
7. New license politics - more expensive and inadequate.

Someone in sap should think about all this things. icon_biggrin.gif
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 8:00 pm 
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Thanks BO_Chief.
Which industry ?


A medium size manufacturing industry.

-- What actually happened during ramp up ? Did they not tested it ?
-- So many products not a single one is working in BI 4.0. icon_biggrin.gif
-- New name for the product every year (avoiding taxes)
-- Integration, integration, integration ...... buy the product and integrate it, this is what happens.. file size might grow enormously icon_confused.gif
-- Everything is set as per the prerequisites (PAR requirements) followed, went through the checklist multiple times.

Sent UMT, CMS, IFRS, OFRS log files ... to them, Not a single recommendation worked for us ... everything ADAPT...

I feel sorry for the support personnel because they don't know what to say except apologizing. icon_sad.gif

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 7:35 am 
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Jansi wrote:

Okay, you can read this blog which talks about Web-I in BI 4.0
http://michaelwelter.wordpress.com/2012/04/18/impressions-of-web-intelligence-4-0/


Nice blog Michael. Many Feedbacks.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:41 am 
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bmvrus wrote:
Nice blog Michael. Many Feedbacks.

Thank you very much. icon_redface.gif

If you're going to BI4, make sure you install SP04. I would recommend using the full install version of SP04, rather than the upgrade version. But SP04 have fixed many bugs that I have seen (and introduced a few new ones.

It seems to be true that SAP doesn't fully test things before they release them. And they constantly change the base code in the product, make it eternally unstable. This is very frustrating.

On the good side, the features keep getting better all the time, especially when they work.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:33 am 
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I've done a couple of sand box/test/development installations right now and I personally don't feel confident with 4.0.

-Many bugs, (or at least I think/hope they are bugs)
-many error's
-slow performance (and on other environments it runs like a charm)

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:50 am 
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We took part in the 4.0 and 4.0 FP3 ramp ups. The tool improved a lot since the first version we worked with, but it's still pretty buggy. We use Webi and Analysis OLAP with BICS interface to connect to BW and do excessive use of BW hierarchies. The whole BO -> BW integration isn't where we'd like it to be.

We are also using SAP authentication and SAP role import to create users - that again leads to massive problems with the promotion management.

Further the overall performance just doesn't feel right, although we got powerful hardware and a BIA in place.

Anyhow, I think the tool has great potential and every single patch brings tons of bugfixes or new features.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 2:29 pm 
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bob78 wrote:

Anyhow, I think the tool has great potential and every single patch brings tons of bugfixes or new features.


Main question is - when it will be stable ))
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:24 pm 
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Given that SAP has re-architected the client tools and the underlying server architecture, I guess it will take one or two major release(s) before everything becomes stable. We have started deploying with SP02 P11 and moved to P17 and SP04 P0 and now we're on SP04 P1. Our customer could not sign off the developmement environment as the migrated reports/dashboards (from xi 3.1) were facing one or other issues with all the different patches.

With SP04 P1, we seem to have better stability.. Though I have found couple of issues, the overall experience seems to be stable.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 11:06 pm 
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cpmohanraj wrote:
With SP04 P1, we seem to have better stability.. Though I have found couple of issues, the overall experience seems to be stable.

That's been my experience, as well. SP04 P1 is fairly stable. Almost all issues that we were experiencing with earlier versions have been fixed now. In fact, we plan to go live this week.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 11:21 pm 
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My Envirionment: BOXI4.0 + Patch18
Status : Go live.

Gone Live finally. But there were serveral big issues waiting for u.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:33 pm 
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MichaelWelter, tomtcheng - how many users ?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 12:45 am 
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Ultimately, we will go live with 5300 users. The first group to go live is less than 100.
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