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PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2003 8:40 am 
Post subject: Comparing BO with other tools

I would like to start what will hopefully become the comprehensive Bob stop on your quest to compare BO with other tools. We've got loads of info regarding BO versus this, that, and sundry other BI tool. I'm going to post links to the nuggets here and hope that you all will do the same.

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A really great comprehensive list of BI tools by Larry Greenfield can be found here.

We have discussed the pros and cons of BO here.

We have compared Crystal to BO here, here, here, here, and here.

We have compared Actuate to BO here, and here.

We have discussed the pros and cons of BO here.

We have compared BO to Cognos here, here, here, here, and here.

We have compared BO to Discoverer here, here, and here.

BO versus Brio is here and here.

BO versus Proclarity

How various companies use BI tools


Maybe this would work best if we don't actually discuss the tools here but keep the discussions in a different thread and let this be links to them. Heck, whatever you think. Feel free to add what's on your mind.[Changed to a Sticky - Dave]

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2003 9:29 am 
Post subject: Re: Comparing BO with other tools

would a comparison of BO and Excel fit in here too?
we have lots of posts on that it seems
but I couldn't find the Dave rant on this subject icon_rolleyes.gif

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2003 9:45 am 
Post subject: Re: Comparing BO with other tools

scott copeland wrote:
would a comparison of BO and Excel fit in here too?
we have lots of posts on that it seems
but I couldn't find the Dave rant on this subject icon_rolleyes.gif


Well, seeing Excel isn't a reporting tool, only used as one not sure if it is a fit for a comparison.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2003 9:52 am 
Post subject: Re: Comparing BO with other tools

A lot of the newbies I work with (mainly accountants) are constantly comparing BusObj with Excel, even though, as you indicate, Excel is not a querying/reporting tool (it's an analysis tool, as I incecently point out). So while there may not be reason to compare them in our (Bobbers') minds, it might help to have a comprehensive list of differences when working with newbie Excel users.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2003 10:18 am 
Post subject: Re: Comparing BO with other tools

I had a chance to work with Cognos Impromptu for 7 months. I liked some of the features like drill down and powerprompts, but I don't see much flexibilities as in BO. You cannot create multiple tabs in one report, but you can create another separate report and link with it. So, finally, to reach one mile distance you have to travel atleast 5 miles in Cognos, but in BO just one mile icon_rolleyes.gif

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Maybe this isn't the right place to put this comment, but we went through a big cognos vs busobj selection a year ago, and busobj was chosen.

Now as a DW developer I have found busobj to be an incredibly useful aid to the development process. When i modify ETL processes i can query the "new" result, query the "old" result using either freehand sql's or a very quickly developed sandbox universe, and join them together to find erros/differences extremely quickly. I can compare final fact table query results with source-file based results. I crosstab reports to look for patterns in data, do quick filtering in seconds on freehand sql riesult sets that might have taken 10 minutes to initially fetch from the db. I can integrate the results of these tests into my test dcumentation very easily. It has saved our client $1000's in development cost, and we come in under budget very often (this is your tax dollars, folks!)

It would be very difficult to go back to trying to do these checks through Access or SQL*Plus.
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slimdave wrote:
Maybe this isn't the right place to put this comment, but we went through a big cognos vs busobj selection a year ago, and busobj was chosen.


Totally right place to put it yesnod.gif . Thanks a bunch!

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2003 8:18 am 
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Hi Cindy - i sent you a comparative BI Tool guide (very detailed) offline that you might find usefull (BO, Cognos, Brio, Crystal etc)

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2003 2:20 am 
Post subject: Re: Request for a copy of your document

Steve Krandel wrote:
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Where did you post this? I'd be interested in reviewing it.


Hi Steve - i'm not aware of a place to post attachments to BOB, isn't there a discussion on this at the mo icon_wink.gif
I've been sending them direct to BOB'ers .....
Theses docs were created a while back i.e. before the recent BI upswing with everybody jumping onto this bandwagon AND before the newer releases of BO
and MicroStrategy etc, but there still should be some relevance or at the very least it could be used as a template for BOB'ers to feed into icon_question.gif

The 2 docs are on there way ....

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2003 8:43 am 
Post subject: MicroStrategy vs. Business Objects

Having developed using both tools in a Teradata environement, I would say that Business Objects is a far better more flexible tool for getting information into the users hands.

The only places where MicroStrategy "beats" Business Objects is the following:

- Exporting formatted results into Excel. Our users scream for this and we can't do it in Bobj
- Business Objects doesn't lend itself to large developement efforts. More then 2 developers working on a single universe is all but impossible. Because MicroStrategy allowed individual "objects" to be checked in and out of the metadata and locked access the individual object.
- Prompts get the nod in MicroStrategy.
- MicroStrategy is more advanced with their Web stuff.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2003 8:49 am 
Post subject: Re: MicroStrategy vs. Business Objects

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- Exporting formatted results into Excel. Our users scream for this and we can't do it in Bobj

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- Business Objects doesn't lend itself to large developement efforts. More then 2 developers working on a single universe is all but impossible. Because MicroStrategy allowed individual "objects" to be checked in and out of the metadata and locked access the individual object.

You can use linked universes (which have some drawbacks when migrating from Development to Test to Production)

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2003 9:55 am 
Post subject: Re: Comparing BO with other tools

Mike,

Do you know the origin of BI Tools.pdf? I am using information from it in discussions with my supervisor and would like to be able to tell her more about its origins. Saying "I got it from this guy on the internet" just doesn't compare to saying "It was prepared by Mr. X when Company Y was researching BI tools for a new implementation".

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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2003 1:11 pm 
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A co worker of mine found the origin of BI Tools.pdf.

http://www.intelligententerprise.com/online_only/saguide2002/buyersguide2002.pdf

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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2003 1:30 pm 
Post subject: Re: Comparing BO with other tools

Does anyone have any prior working experience with a tool named nQuire?

The company was bought over by siebel sometime last year. There was a proof of concept started at my prior client's place but stopped because it had some issues dealing with the specific nature of data.

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