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Which flavour of Designer are you using?
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| IDT |
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18% |
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| UDT |
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50% |
[ 35 ] |
| Both |
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31% |
[ 22 ] |
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Damocles
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 Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 9:04 am
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| Mitra Moini wrote: | | Damocles wrote: | UDT is familiar and friendly.
I've seen some people who are less experienced and aren't as familiar with UDT take to IDT like a duck to water.
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Are these the 20 to early 30 somethings with ADD that love to click click click before you have a chance to open your mouth to tell them anything thinking they know it all? 
OK, sorry for being harsh but I have worked with enough of them that they don't realize what they have done doesn't really work three weeks down the road and they have just wasted three weeks of my life. |
Are these the same people who tell you something and when you pause to mentally digest it before you respond think that means you want them to gabble at you because they think you haven't understood?
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Mitra Moini
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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 10:37 am
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MichaelWelter
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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 10:39 am
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I agree with Damocles on this. People with little or no experience pick up IDT fairly quickly. For the rest of us, the transition is challenging, at best. It's not easy to replace a mature, well designed product, with a new, clunky product. I like most of the new features in IDT, but I wish it had a similar look and feel to UDT.
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Mitra Moini
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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 10:48 am
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| MichaelWelter wrote: | | I agree with Damocles on this. People with little or no experience pick up IDT fairly quickly. For the rest of us, the transition is challenging, at best. It's not easy to replace a mature, well designed product, with a new, clunky product. I like most of the new features in IDT, but I wish it had a similar look and feel to UDT. |
It took a two year old to figure out how to work my mom's iPad way before my mom did (she still hasn't - not all the way). Not a fair comparison but I have seen many that "pick it up" supposedly quickly but they don't really understand it or what they are doing. Maybe I am not working with the right people! Besides, once you've worked with the best you have certain expectations and this is not cutting it. I feel I've gone from a Porsche to a Yugo! |
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MichaelWelter
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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:16 am
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| Mitra Moini wrote: | | I feel I've gone from a Porsche to a Yugo! |
When I read that, my first thought was that it was a harsh analogy. But the more I thought about it, the more I realized how spot on that is. 
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Mak 1
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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:24 am
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| Quote: | | Maybe I am not working with the right people! |
Hence why it is best to bring your own in  .
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Lugh
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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:03 pm
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I think it's more like going from a Cadillac to one of the first generation electric cars (like Ed Begley used to drive). The Caddy is roomy, familiar, comfortable, and you are really know what the issues are and how to work around them. The new electric car may be categorically better (e.g., lower total energy usage, less polluting, quieter), but because it's an early generation it both comes with compromises and has rough edges where you haven't learned to reflexively avoid them. So it feels terrible.
Me, I'd rather stick with my Caddy until the Tesla edition comes along. |
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Damocles
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Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 12:10 pm
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| MichaelWelter wrote: | | I agree with Damocles. |
It's a common phenomenon. 
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anorak
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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 6:31 am
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| MichaelWelter wrote: | | Mitra Moini wrote: | | I feel I've gone from a Porsche to a Yugo! |
When I read that, my first thought was that it was a harsh analogy. But the more I thought about it, the more I realized how spot on that is. |
So they did that to the reporting tool some years ago, and now I read that the same is true for the Universe design tool! Have I missed something 
Who do they get to road test this stuff; not experts, that's for sure. |
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Mak 1
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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 8:55 am
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| Quote: | | Who do they get to road test this stuff; not experts, that's for sure. |
You mean functional testing...riiighht  .
I was talking about this with someone, just yesterday.
We had both had the dubious pleasure of beta testing XIr2 and 3.0.
My take is this, given the beta release is usually virtually unsuable it is impossible for anyone to really do any functional testing on it.
Hence there probably isn't any until it becomes usable.
Once it is recognised it is a pain the backside to "use in anger", the release is delayed and there will be no time to make any functional changes to it anyway.
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Damocles
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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:23 am
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| Mak 1 wrote: | | Quote: | | Who do they get to road test this stuff; not experts, that's for sure. |
We had both had the dubious pleasure of beta testing XIr2 and 3.0. |
You do the testing?
So it's your fault.
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Mak 1
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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:41 am
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| Quote: | You do the testing?
So it's your fault. |
No, they just didn't apply the feed back .
As I said, usually virtually unusable at the beta stage, so feedback was usually; "none of it works".
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lalitgoyal
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:22 am
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I am also still in love with UDT... transition hmm 
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jacquib
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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 9:51 pm
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Agree with what everyone has said about screen size.
In my current role I don't have any option but to use IDT so I have had to adapt. If I had my way I would probably still be using designer and parent/derived universes if the issues could have been resolved.
I *hate* having to toggle between the Business Layer and Data Foundation for what should be simple editing.
Updating the connections from local to enterprise, or from environment to environment is risky. I have even experienced universe corruption by simply refreshing the database structure.
That said, I do like the cascading hierarchical prompts possible in IDT. |
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